Ford to build Ineos/Defender

[XJ Junkie]

Chemical Firm Wants Ford Factory To Build Its Defender-esque SUV

Ford's engine factory in Bridgend, Wales, is on Ineos' shortlist for its new automotive venture.

Chemical giant Ineos has moved a step closer to its first automotive production foray by entering talks with Ford to build an off-road vehicle at the manufacturer's engine factory in Wales.

Ineos has been planning to enter the automotive industry for quite some time with an alternative to the Land Rover Defender (pictured) with similar styling to the iconic vehicle.

Ford's factory in Bridgend, south Wales currently produces engines for Jaguar Land Rover, despite both brands being sold to Tata in 2008. However, after Jaguar Land Rover has confirmed that it will stop sourcing engines from the factory as soon as 2020, which could leave as many as 1,100 of Bridgend's 1,700-strong workforce without jobs. Ford is currently Britain's biggest engine producer, making half of the country's 2.7 million units at both the Bridgend plant and its other production facility in Dagenham, near London.

It's not just the factory's Jaguar Land Rover operations that are under threat either. Ford is one of several major carmakers worried about the effects Brexit could have on production, imports and supply chains, type approval, and costs.

That is where Ineos comes in. The London-based firm has earmarked the Wales site as a potential production location for its off-road vehicle venture. The Financial Times broke the news, citing sources said to be close to the discussions.

Ineos confirmed to the Financial Times that it had "several great options" regarding production locations, but it didn't confirm or deny the link to Bridgend. Ineos also said it will make its decision by the end of the year.

Despite being known for its chemical production, Ineos is definitely serious about building its first car. The company headed by Sir Jim Ratcliffe has already contracted former Mercedes-Benz offshoot MB tech to engineer the upcoming SUV, and Magna International – which also has Tesla, Volkswagen, BMW and Toyota as clients and also produces the Mini Countryman on behalf of BMW in Europe – to develop the new car's chassis.

While the Ineos SUV will resemble the old Defender, Land Rover itself is also wtorking on a successor, which is slated to arrive next year.

The hotly-anticipated new Defender will add a more luxury and technology compared to the outgoing model in order to bring it well and truly into the 21st century, and by bringing the car more in line with the rest of its range, Land Rover is hoping that annual sales figures will increase to around 100,000 a year with the new generation – five times more than the old car.

https://www.motor1.com/news/275867/ineo ... d-factory/

[Mike Nel]

Yes please. Make the Defender to be more in line with the current line up. What a load of bollocks

[Hedgehog]

I think those pics are stolen from this site..: https://www.landrover.com/explore-land- ... derv8.html

Edit..

[Wooky]

The article says that the picture is of a Defender. So no miss-quoted / stolen pics.

" ....alternative to the Land Rover Defender (pictured) with similar styling to the iconic vehicle."

Will be interesting to see if they can get the Defender type shape to meet international safety specs.
If I understood correctly, that was ultimately its downfall.

[Hedgehog]

The article says that the picture is of a Defender. So no miss-quoted / stolen pics.

" ....alternative to the Land Rover Defender (pictured) with similar styling to the iconic vehicle."

OK, valid point

[ThysleRoux]

The article says that the picture is of a Defender. So no miss-quoted / stolen pics.

" ....alternative to the Land Rover Defender (pictured) with similar styling to the iconic vehicle."

Will be interesting to see if they can get the Defender type shape to meet international safety specs.
If I understood correctly, that was ultimately its downfall.

Not necessarily the shape, but more the chassis design - it was basically still running on a chassis designed in the 1940's, meaning there were no crumple zones or shock absorbing bumpers, etc. The boxy shape is evident in many vehicles that meet the current safety standards.

I am sure that Landrover could have kept up with the requirements if they really wanted too, without losing the general "feel" or capabilities of the Defender.

[XJ Junkie]

And that fact puts your bulitin up as fake news.... Sorry Neil

There are no pictures yet.

Definitely not fake news. I’ve been watching this space for a long time. Jim Ratcliff is the wealthiest man in the UK so he’s got the resources

Google Projekt Grenadier

[Wooky]

Wasn't there also an issue with the roof structure being to weak in a roll over situation?

[Wooky]

OK, valid point

No worries....I also thought the title pic was of the NEW Ineos vehicle until I read further down

[Hedgehog]

And that fact puts your bulitin up as fake news.... Sorry Neil

There are no pictures yet.

Definitely not fake news. I’ve been watching this space for a long time. Jim Ratcliff is the wealthiest man in the UK so he’s got the resources

Google Projekt Grenadier

I really hope this gets going but, taking into consideration that it will be a small production, it will most probably be marketed to the very wealthy. And this is just my thoughts, but we all know how those guys can spoil a product by either making it stupidly fast, or stupidly plush. And both of those stupid things will make it stupidly expensive.

[XJ Junkie]

Jim Ratcliff is very much a Defender Guy so he knows what’s required by the traditional enthusiasts.

There’s already an infrastructure in place so now they just need to decide where exactly to build it.

The target price will be in line with the outgoing Defender.

As Thys pointed out, the Defender never evolved. They got away with avoiding safety tests for a long time in Europe because they never changed the bulkhead, which was a loophole.

But they couldn’t sell it in the USA which is why it dwindled to 25k units per year, globally. By comparison, they sell that many Wranglers per month, just in North America.

[Wooky]

Found this....

https://projektgrenadier.com/

[XJ Junkie]

Yes that’s their website

[Mad Manny]

The NEW Jimny largely replaces the old Defender90...

Jimny has a Wheelbase of 2250 vs the 90 @ 2362
Jimny's length is 3625 the 90 was 4077 long.
Jimny is 1645 wide vs the 90's 1791.

So no need to make a 90...

[XJ Junkie]

Manny what are you smoking?