Old & New School 4x4 video

[XJ Junkie]

This is pretty interesting & worth a watch to see how a wide variety of mostly stock vehicles cope with the same obstacles.

https://youtu.be/WmMdL2M0ol8

[Chris Stoffel]

Very very nice video! Lot's of different vehicles, nice obstacles and all the vehicles shot from the same angle.
Lot's of traction control systems in action here! Then the old school Willies Jeep and the Suzuki SJ got through all the obstacles the easiest?
Is it because they are short vehicles and felt the cross axles less than the long vehicles? And perhaps some driver talent as well?

[KurtG]

Thanks Neil. My observation is that the driver makes the biggest difference in that video, still interesting to watch.

[Chris Stoffel]

Thanks Neil. My observation is that the driver makes the highest difference in that video, still interesting to watch.

I can agree with that. The guys that used the right amount of momentum did best. And the least possible damage to their vehicle.

[XJ Junkie]

Then the old school Willies Jeep and the Suzuki SJ got through all the obstacles the easiest?
Is it because they are short vehicles and felt the cross axles less than the long vehicles? And perhaps some driver talent as well?

Don’t forget the solid axles in those. It shouldn’t be underestimated.

Thanks Neil. My observation is that the driver makes the highest difference in that video, still interesting to watch.

Yes, big time. That Isuzu driver makes the vehicle look bad.

[Chris Stoffel]

And if you think that traction control is the alpha and omega, think again. Momentum is still needed.

[Mike Nel]

Then the old school Willies Jeep and the Suzuki SJ got through all the obstacles the easiest?
Is it because they are short vehicles and felt the cross axles less than the long vehicles? And perhaps some driver talent as well?

Don’t forget the solid axles in those. It shouldn’t be underestimated.

Thanks Neil. My observation is that the driver makes the highest difference in that video, still interesting to watch.

Yes, big time. That Isuzu driver makes the vehicle look bad.

Why are we discussing Hunter and his 4x2?

[XJ Junkie]

For me personally, the most revealing part of the video is the obstacle at 13:20. It’s not the most tricky obstacle but it’s more about the vehicle than the driver.

There are many things to note:

I’d have to say that out of the more modern vehicles, the TC systems on the new Fortuna, Everest & then Pajero Sport all work rather well.

The old school Fortuna is clearly not as good as the new Fortuna that went before it, even though their entry speed was similar.

The old school Pajero with no modern traction aids just walks the obstacle at a little over idle speed, but he did have meaty tyres.

That Scorpio is not good at all. It’s got no TC & has a rear Auto-locker instead of a selectable locker. But what’s apparent is how long that autolocker takes to engage! It’s pathetic. You can see that as soon as it’s on 3 wheels. The reason why one of the front wheels is in the air & won’t spin is due to the TOD system, where the front axle gets no torque. The absence of TC on the front makes that axle redundant (due to the traction-on-demand). Then when one back wheel is cocked, it spins excessively until the autolocker decides its time to kick in.

The old school Fortuna is marginally better because at least it’s locker is selectable, thus proactive instead of reactive.

Naturally, the Duster was rather impressive.

[Mad Manny]

My take on Anshuman Bishnai's video (shot in the Spiti Valley which is a cold desert mountain valley located high in the Himalaya mountains in Indian, which explains the wearing of long pant):

Looks like a nice group of mates having good clean fun.
I like how he shot each vehicle from the same spot going through the each obstacle.
This made it very easy for us to critique & compare.

I'd say that most of the vehicles were very close to standard.
Most drivers seem to be very inexperienced (particularly the guy in the Isuzu).

It seems to me that they all had their tyres at highway pressures.

But it looks like they enjoyed their day out & had fun...

Nice to see a 4x4 video where there isn't some Bonehead holding a branners & swearing.

[dawidloubser]

Interesting video, thanks for posting!
This video, more than any I've recently seen, illustrates the value of diff locks.
Or basically, how much it can suck not having them.
With locked diffs, everybody would crawl gently through those obstacles and not damage the terrain so much.
Of course, it would take the "fun and violence" out of it

And as others have posted - driver skill has a lot to do with it. These guys don't have it in spades... but they are having fun for sure.

[XJ Junkie]

Have a watch from the 14 minute point:

The Duster has no low range, but it does have traction control front & back to negotiate this cross axle section.

The new shape Fortuna that follows it does just as well & it’s TC clearly works.

But the old school Fortuna that goes next battles without TC, even though it’s got a rear locker.

[Martin de Jager]

Guys,
hi have had the pleasure of driving both a vehicle with TC and my Fortuner, their is only one explanation for the Fortuner to struggle, inexperience,

[KurtG]

Guys,
hi have had the pleasure of driving both a vehicle with TC and my Fortuner, their is only one explanation for the Fortuner to struggle, inexperience,

Yes, the designers were inexperienced when they conceived the Fortuner .

Only kidding, most of the guys in that video were inexperienced

[Martin de Jager]

have a look at this, this is local,

https://youtu.be/cpLOlvhaJGU

[Chris Stoffel]

have a look at this, this is local,

https://youtu.be/cpLOlvhaJGU

Very nice video. It seems as if the guys are scared to use a bit of momentum. But I wasn't there. And taking a Samurai there is perhaps more fun than taking a Wrangler. But that FJ cooked it good.