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BushWacker wrote:I think LRvr ( who developed TC [emoji851])
made, in the late Disco 2 s, system where
one could select front TC and rear axle difflock
with center diff off ...
Disco II only have/had centre difflock as factory standard and traction control. Some models did not even have centre difflock and only relied on TC.

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Oppies3800 wrote:
Yet, no catastrophic failures to speak of :D
Well actually some Toyota-ness did appear. They had to recall about 100000 due to the old sticky accelerator thing.
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BushWacker wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 3:35 pm
... and Land Rover developed the first SUV
... the Range Rover Classic ...
Not really -
The earliest examples of longer-wheelbase, wagon-type SUVs (using the term retrospectively) were truck-framed station wagons, to which four-wheel drive was added – first of all the 1946 Willys Jeep Station Wagon, launched a year before its 1947 Jeep Truck sibling and offered with 4-wheel drive starting 1949. The all-steel GMC and Chevrolet Suburban Carryall that dated back to 1935, the 1953 International Harvester Travelall, and the 1954 Dodge (Power) Town Wagon were all large station-wagon bodied versions of light trucks that were made available with 4-wheel drive in 1956/1957
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BushWacker wrote:... and Land Rover developed the first SUV
... the Range Rover Classic ...
Actually Jeep beat them by 7 years with the first SUV, the Wagoneer.

But the Classic was better, but it wasn’t the first.

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ThysleRoux wrote:
Not really
Sorry, just saw your post [emoji23]
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Lots of early prototyping and frontrunning stiff happened early on eg :
“ In 1949 the Land Rover estate car was released, with a coach-built wood-framed body by Tickford. However, the high price of adding such car-like features as seven seats, floor carpets, a heater, a one-piece windscreen resulted in fewer than 700 being sold before being dropped in 1951.”
but ... noting that SUVs understood to be
integrated vehicles of
SPEED COMFORT & OFFROADABILITY ...
it was Range Rover that really took first place and catalysed the boom in SUVs ... not those bone braking cumbersome petrol gulping Yank Crap contraptions !

Ordinary Series Landies SWs were more ‘SUV’ than them !
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BushWacker wrote:Lots of early prototyping and frontrunning stiff happened early on eg :
“ In 1949 the Land Rover estate car was released, with a coach-built wood-framed body by Tickford. However, the high price of adding such car-like features as seven seats, floor carpets, a heater, a one-piece windscreen resulted in fewer than 700 being sold before being dropped in 1951.”
but ... noting that SUVs understood to be
integrated vehicles of
SPEED COMFORT & OFFROADABILITY ...
it was Range Rover that really took first place and catalysed the boom in SUVs ... not those bone braking cumbersome petrol gulping Yank Crap contraptions !

Ordinary Series Landies SWs were more ‘SUV’ than them !
Have you ever been in a Chev Suburban or Ford Bronco? I suspect even the original Willys was more comfortable than a Defender [emoji23]



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BushWacker wrote: it was Range Rover that really took first place and catalysed the boom in SUVs ... not those bone braking cumbersome petrol gulping Yank Crap contraptions !
So you concede it wasn’t the first SUV?

Notably, the V8 in the Range Rover is a Buick
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4 wheel drive and specialist vehicles
go back a long way ,..
maybe take a peek at the history section
of this article ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-wheel_drive

... so one has to draw a line somewhere to
signify where the proliferation of SUVs
really began ...

As for Buick V8 into Range Rover ...
true ... but Rover made significant changes
and improvements 🤓👀🤓😎🤗
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You can Wack around the Bush as much as you like, but the Range Rover was not the first SUV. :lol: :lol:
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BushWacker wrote:4 wheel drive and specialist vehicles
go back a long way ,..
maybe take a peek at the history

... so one has to draw a line somewhere to
signify where the proliferation of SUVs
really began ...
If you did make a list of ‘first’s’ it would mention the word ‘Jeep’ quite a lot.

Here are a few:

- First compact 4x4. It had features that until today others battle to copy.
- First civilian 4x4
- First luxury 4x4
- First OHC 6 cyl truck engine
- First Auto full time 4x4
- first US pickup to have 4x4 as standard
- First military truck built mainly from civilian components
- First independent suspension 4x4
- First unibody 4x4 (which everyone has copied until now)

Everything else is pretty much a copy. Even the first Land Rover was based on a Jeep
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First vehicle to have 90% of it's first 3 years production destroyed by the enemy.
First company to be sold (or changed owners) more than stinky slave.
I think Jeep is on it's 7th owner...
Bantam
Willy’s Overland
Kaiser Motors 1953
AMC 1970
Renault 1979
Chrysler 1987
Fiat since 2009,

Chinese appliance maker Midea purchased Kuka AG, a German robotics firm whose North American operations include the factory that welds together Wrangler bodies for Fiat Chrysler Automobiles’ Toledo Assembly Complex.

So Jeeps are actually appliances - great relief to all the Toyota owners...

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Crap , and i thought only Land rover changed hands a bit to much :lol:

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Johannes wrote:Crap , and i thought only Land rover changed hands a bit to much :lol:
Maybe if it had, the Defender would have evolved into feasible product.

Bantam, Kaiser & Willy’s were actually separate companies that tendered. Only Willy’s & Kaiser later merged. Ford was also involved in the first Jeep.
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