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Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:39 pm
by Mike Nel
LesseW wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 11:48 am
CornellMans wrote:Sounds like a great trip. But also sounds like it's advisable to go with somebody that has been to Bots before. Would love to visit some day.
Do not go to CKGR Piper pan if you are not a well travelled, prepared overlander. You would be stupid to do so.
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Please Elaborate on this?
Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 2:02 pm
by LesseW
Just on my way to Bloem, will do tonight.
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Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:43 am
by Mad Manny
Mike Nel wrote:
Please Elaborate on this?
Mike, there are no facilities, you need to be fully self-sufficient and you are over 6 hours away from water, food, health care etc.
So you need to be in a group and all of you need to be well organized and competent....
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 12:01 pm
by Mike Nel
Understood
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:09 pm
by BushWacker
… looking at posting #25 of said lion from Bugger ,
I must concede that his torch is many CandlePower,
indeed one would almost think its daytime…
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:16 pm
by LesseW
Mike, sorry ek kom nou eers terug, vandag in Upington….
N mens gaan mechanical failures he, dis n uitgemaakte saak en iemand moet “boskennis” he. As jou voertuig breek en jy is alleen, good luck dat iemand in 3 dae gaan verbyry.
Dan ook, daai roete moet goed beplan word i.t.v water, petrol, kos, gewig ens. En weereens het ons dit gehad met Andreas.
Dan ook, die 120+ kms van die hek tot by piperpan is soos om op n stormsee te ry, dit sit onsettende druk op die voertuig en karavaan en die karavaan “whiplash” basies die heelpad. My bushlapa se geyser agter het bv. uit sy brackets geskeur.
Hoop dit maak dit meer duidelik.
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Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:26 pm
by Mike Nel
Baie duidelik dankie
Moenie n karavaan vat nie
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:33 pm
by LesseW
Ek hoor jou, maar good luck dan met pakplek en veral genoeg bier….
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Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:45 pm
by BushWacker
… deleted posting to wrong thread … !
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:53 pm
by iandvl
I have the crappy caravan, which I haul around when I go camping with the kids. To clarify: this is resort camping. Dube / Klein Kariba etc. Although my daughter and the LF's daughter have done a river trip with us, I don't see that happening again soon - they don't like roughing it. When I do more serious stuff (the kids don't like roughing it), I don't tow. But I've never found that I don't have room for beer... Granted, most of these cases it was just me. More recently, Liana also tags along. So we're rather spoiled for space in the Patrol.
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:54 pm
by Mike Nel
LesseW wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 2:33 pm
Ek hoor jou, maar good luck dan met pakplek en veral genoeg bier….
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Ek wil eendag saam met jou op so trip gaan, dan wys ek jou hoe om te pak
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:57 pm
by Mad Manny
BushWacker wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 2:45 pm
Wessel, if you do such distances and speeds I would also ensure safe and sturdy rig above almost all else …
BMW / Merc/ Disco 4 or 5, etc
Wrong Forum this type of Troll posting...
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 2:59 pm
by iandvl
Mad Manny wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 2:57 pm
Wrong Forum this type of Troll posting...
I'd suggest a second hand Pajero.
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 3:05 pm
by Mad Manny
Listen, you need to carry a certain amount of stuff:
Fuel for 600km+ at your higher end of consumption) for me that was 100+L for others it was closer to 200L.
Water for 5 days.
Food.
Beers.
Camping equipment.
Wood
Etc.
If you can fit all that in your Jimny - great!
If you prefer to take your Bushlapa - that's also great.
But, no mater what you do, for 5 days in the CKGR, you'll be getting close to 4 tons - unless you camp like a savage & not everyone enjoys that.
Bugger suffered the most vehicle issues & he was not towing.
Obviously, his rig being nearly 40 years old added to his issues.
Avon traveled light, but his TJ & Bushy Trailer also took strain (puncture & tow bar issues).
All Wessel is trying to point out is, CKGR is not River Trip, it's longer & you are not 5km away from civilization.
Re: Onder Tswana & Bo Tswana
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 3:33 pm
by Mad Manny
BTW: We saw many vehicles on our trip, our group had Toyota's (Prado & Fortuner), a Nissan (Patrol), a Jeep (TJ 3.8) & the 40 year old VW bus.
In the tougher places like Nxai pan, Kubu Island & CKGR we saw:
SFA Defenders (but obviously not the NEW Defender)
Various Toyota's.
Merc G Wagens (older models).
a Jimny
a few special builds.
No boutique milk & manure vehicles, obviously...