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Being solid axles front and rear you really can’t look past the new Jimny. Except for the complete lack of a boot or decent engine power, it must be the nearest competitor (on paper).

The only thing in the pipeline that’ll challenge the Wrangler is the Grenadier.

KurtG wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:56 pm

Being solid axles front and rear you really can’t look past the new Jimny. Except for the complete lack of a boot or decent engine power, it must be the nearest competitor (on paper).

I'll wager that the Wrangler will kick the Jimny in the teeth when it comes to power and torque on any obstacle. It will always have the edge on any 4x4 trail. Rather compare the jimny to that Fiat Renegade.

Manny summed it up about right.

If you had to choose a vehicle in the Jeep category, buy the Everest/MUX/Fortuner. Better value for money.

The Wrangler is a perfect vehicle for cruising in Sea Point

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Stock or modified Wranglers. Stock it is about the same as Fearless. Wranglers are nice toys but not that capable straight from the showroom.
You need to spend big bucks to get it leading the pack.

I think the 400hp Defender is going to be a big kick in the nuts for the Wrangler.

sure, the high end defender is going to be around 1,5bar against the Full House Rubicon at 925k - and In the Us it will be 50% more too.

but, if you want a 400hp Wrangler, you need to send it to get a Hemi fitted which doubles the price. The top end Defender 90 has a full roll back canvas roof like the option on the Wranglers - which hits that 'convertible' spot very nicely.

the lower end Defenders are more than the lower end JLs so... it's a bit expensive.

Likewise, the Bronco - the removable top is a big lifestyle drawcard in places like LA and Florida and Redneck land. and it should have a decent motor in the top model, and be well priced.

I think the Wrangler has traded on style as much as capability for years. specifically the soft top. Most aren't bought by the first owner for offroading.

but if you want the absolute last word in trail ability I don't think you are going to beat a live axle wrangler with anything on the market. the JL stock has got a couple of inches of ground clearance than a Stock JK - it's noticeably bigger. and lifts aren't overly expensive. When I got my JK new, added a 3" lift, Rims and 35s it was still less than a new FJ Cruiser and only a few grand more than a Fortuner.

The G wagon is way too much money and unless you get the Landaulet at WAY more money it lacks the soft top.

I do not think we will ever see a new Defender on Extreme Trails.I am not talking special built 4x4`s like in King of the Hammers. Extreme trails are ruled by SFA 4x4`s and the King of this stays the Wrangler. Easy to modify with lots of aftermarket extra`s.

New Defender`s greatest competition will be the Discovery.

I have this silly feeling that the new Defender will not make a big name off road. Please I am not saying it is not capable but it is a shift of class from hardcore to almost Range Rover type of thing.

Grips, I thought the Y62 would be the same because of it's price tag and fancy bits, but I see the Aussies like it just as much. And there will always be somebody with enough money to pull any expensive vehicle through his bum.

The Y62 is available in Australia since 2013. With a very poor secondhand value it is understandable that the guys trash them

Ricoffy wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:20 am

KurtG wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:56 pm

Being solid axles front and rear you really can’t look past the new Jimny. Except for the complete lack of a boot or decent engine power, it must be the nearest competitor (on paper).

I'll wager that the Wrangler will kick the Jimny in the teeth when it comes to power and torque on any obstacle. It will always have the edge on any 4x4 trail. Rather compare the jimny to that Fiat Renegade.

Manny summed it up about right.

If you had to choose a vehicle in the Jeep category, buy the Everest/MUX/Fortuner. Better value for money.

Power and Torque mean bugger all off-road, except in the dunes - What counts off-road is tyre size, and that is where the Jeep has the advantage, kits are readily available to lift it to be able to fit stupidly big tyres.

In stock form the Jimny will run circles around a stock Wrangler. You are joking about Jimny vs Renegade, I hope.

A renagade (Fiat 500x) is an over priced soft roader. I say this with due cognisance of the fact that the renegade might out perform my GV Dune on a trial...

NEW wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:46 am

A renagade (Fiat 500x) is an over priced soft roader. I say this with due cognisance of the fact that the renegade might out perform my GV Dune on a trial...

And only because your Dune doesn't have any traction aids whatsoever. The Dune did great at Berakah. I'm not so sure I would want to take a Renegade there.

Saxj wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:53 am

NEW wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:46 am

A renagade (Fiat 500x) is an over priced soft roader. I say this with due cognisance of the fact that the renegade might out perform my GV Dune on a trial...

And only because your Dune doesn't have any traction aids whatsoever. The Dune did great at Berakah. I'm not so sure I would want to take a Renegade there.

On the topic, I am not sure in what possible way a Fiat500x.... I mean a Fiat Renegade.... I mean a Jeep Renegade could be compared to a wrangler. They only have a badge in common...

Saxj wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:36 am

Ricoffy wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:20 am

KurtG wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:56 pm

Being solid axles front and rear you really can’t look past the new Jimny. Except for the complete lack of a boot or decent engine power, it must be the nearest competitor (on paper).

I'll wager that the Wrangler will kick the Jimny in the teeth when it comes to power and torque on any obstacle. It will always have the edge on any 4x4 trail. Rather compare the jimny to that Fiat Renegade.

Manny summed it up about right.

If you had to choose a vehicle in the Jeep category, buy the Everest/MUX/Fortuner. Better value for money.

Power and Torque mean bugger all off-road, except in the dunes - What counts off-road is tyre size, and that is where the Jeep has the advantage, kits are readily available to lift it to be able to fit stupidly big tyres.

In stock form the Jimny will run circles around a stock Wrangler. You are joking about Jimny vs Renegade, I hope.

As capable as the Jimny is, I think you misunderstand the value of power and torque in off road situations. Without these you require momentum in many off-road scenarios - momentum without sufficient engine torque means speed and speed tends to break things.