The LIST price of the most expensive Amarok is R830 000.00.
The Gladiator, I believe, will be a good R100k dearer.
It is unlikely to match the Amarok build quality.
V8 Diesel or petrol?
-
Mad Manny
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 453 times
- Been thanked: 890 times
- Posts: 6467
- Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:31 am
The Gladiator, I believe, will be a good R100k dearer.
It is unlikely to match the Amarok build quality.
"No one ever got stuck - in mid air!"
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
-
Mal Hannes
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Posts: 238
- Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:38 pm
Manny! I am not trying to buy a work vehicle that will be worth R 10 000 more in 15 years time I tow long distance and I want to be more comfortable and have more power than the Hilux. Which of those does the Isuzu have?
-
Mad Manny
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 453 times
- Been thanked: 890 times
- Posts: 6467
- Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:31 am
You will be very happy with the V6 Amarok.
My point was, if you had bought an Isuzu instead of the Hilux you would not be changing now...
My point was, if you had bought an Isuzu instead of the Hilux you would not be changing now...
"No one ever got stuck - in mid air!"
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
-
Mad Manny
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 453 times
- Been thanked: 890 times
- Posts: 6467
- Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:31 am
But it is interesting how we all get greedy...
20 years ago the most powerful bakkie was the KB 280 DT with 74kW & 230Nm.
Then the Colt came with 96kW & 296Nm.
Until the Hilux Kz-TE arrived with 315Nm, there was no bakkie with over 300Nm.
Now we find anything under 130kW & 400Nm inadequate...
Soon we'll be saying a Hybrid with less than 200kW & 600Nm is pap...
20 years ago the most powerful bakkie was the KB 280 DT with 74kW & 230Nm.
Then the Colt came with 96kW & 296Nm.
Until the Hilux Kz-TE arrived with 315Nm, there was no bakkie with over 300Nm.
Now we find anything under 130kW & 400Nm inadequate...
Soon we'll be saying a Hybrid with less than 200kW & 600Nm is pap...
"No one ever got stuck - in mid air!"
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
-
grips
- Location: kathu
- Has thanked: 39 times
- Been thanked: 134 times
- Posts: 1169
- Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:08 am
Manny there were a few big petrol straight 6 engines making more then a 100kw and 300nm 20 years ago. The 24valve Toyota 4.5 were introduced in 1993 making 158kw and 373nm. Same with the 4.2 Nissan Patrols.
You will never find me without Stroh or a 4x4
-
Mad Manny
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 453 times
- Been thanked: 890 times
- Posts: 6467
- Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:31 am
Ja boet, but they were not affordable main stream bakkies.
In 2000 a KB 280 DT LX 4x4 Double Cab was R223 000.00.
While a KB 280 DT LX 4x4 Single Cab was R191 000.00.
The Cruiser was not available in Double Cab & the Single Cab Cruiser 4x4 4.2D was R236 000 & was 96kW & 296Nm.
The Patrol Single Cab 4.2 4x4 was R177 000 but had about the same outputs - it was NOT a turbo.
Both used significantly more fuel than the Isuzu.
The Petrol Cruiser Single Cab 4.5 4x4 was R225 000 produced 145kW at 4400rpm and 363Nm at 2900rpm, but drank fuel at a massive rate.
But you did get the Patrol 4.2 TD & 4.5 Petrol in an SUV...
In 2000 a KB 280 DT LX 4x4 Double Cab was R223 000.00.
While a KB 280 DT LX 4x4 Single Cab was R191 000.00.
The Cruiser was not available in Double Cab & the Single Cab Cruiser 4x4 4.2D was R236 000 & was 96kW & 296Nm.
The Patrol Single Cab 4.2 4x4 was R177 000 but had about the same outputs - it was NOT a turbo.
Both used significantly more fuel than the Isuzu.
The Petrol Cruiser Single Cab 4.5 4x4 was R225 000 produced 145kW at 4400rpm and 363Nm at 2900rpm, but drank fuel at a massive rate.
But you did get the Patrol 4.2 TD & 4.5 Petrol in an SUV...
"No one ever got stuck - in mid air!"
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
-
Mal Hannes
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Posts: 238
- Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:38 pm
Manny what about the V8 petrol bakkies of the 70s.
My dad's el Camino made something like 160kw.
He traded it on a chev de ville 5.8 V8 with if memory serves me right 180kw.
Diesel was for trucks and farm bakkies.
My dad's el Camino made something like 160kw.
He traded it on a chev de ville 5.8 V8 with if memory serves me right 180kw.
Diesel was for trucks and farm bakkies.
-
Mal Hannes
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Posts: 238
- Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:38 pm
The oil crisis of the early 70s took us out of our Chevs and into pulsar and 1200 Datsun bakkies.
Slowly technology is allowing us to return to power without the fuel cost.
Slowly technology is allowing us to return to power without the fuel cost.
-
Mad Manny
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 453 times
- Been thanked: 890 times
- Posts: 6467
- Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:31 am
Mal Hannes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:14 pmManny what about the V8 petrol bakkies of the 70s.
My dad's el Camino made something like 160kw.
He traded it on a Chev de ville 5.8 V8 with if memory serves me right 180kw.
Diesel was for trucks and farm bakkies.
El Camino (Pick Up) had 3 V8 motors:
307 (5.0litre) V8, 86kW
350-cubic-inch V8 (5.7litre) producing (130 kW).
The 402-cubic-inch 6.6litre V8 (still known as a 396) which produced 240 hp (179 kW).
Your dad's 5.7 V8 De Ville (sedan) produced 205kW .
"No one ever got stuck - in mid air!"
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
2010 Fortuner D-4D 4x4 'Fearless'
2006 Conqueror Conquest 'Gearless'
-
Mal Hannes
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Posts: 238
- Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:38 pm
Yeah I don't remember all of that.
I remember the 3.3 6 cylinder
The 4 l or 4.1 L 6 cylinder
5 l V8
And the 5.8 l vi8the badge was 5.8 with the v for v8 under the 8 of 5.8.
All I am saying is, don't say our past never had power, we lost it for a while but the dream of a powerful Bakkie has always been there.
If I look at your situation if the Isuzu were so good why would do you have a Toyota as a toy and weekend drive.
I combine my daily drive with my toy and holiday tow vehicle.
AS a multi purpose vehicle the Amarok is better than any Bakkie and cheaper than comparable Suvs.
I remember the 3.3 6 cylinder
The 4 l or 4.1 L 6 cylinder
5 l V8
And the 5.8 l vi8the badge was 5.8 with the v for v8 under the 8 of 5.8.
All I am saying is, don't say our past never had power, we lost it for a while but the dream of a powerful Bakkie has always been there.
If I look at your situation if the Isuzu were so good why would do you have a Toyota as a toy and weekend drive.
I combine my daily drive with my toy and holiday tow vehicle.
AS a multi purpose vehicle the Amarok is better than any Bakkie and cheaper than comparable Suvs.
-
grips
- Location: kathu
- Has thanked: 39 times
- Been thanked: 134 times
- Posts: 1169
- Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:08 am
You never look at v8 outputs of the 70`s they were all killed by emission stuff by then.Mad Manny wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:02 pmMal Hannes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:14 pmManny what about the V8 petrol bakkies of the 70s.
My dad's el Camino made something like 160kw.
He traded it on a Chev de ville 5.8 V8 with if memory serves me right 180kw.
Diesel was for trucks and farm bakkies.
El Camino (Pick Up) had 3 V8 motors:
307 (5.0litre) V8, 86kW
350-cubic-inch V8 (5.7litre) producing (130 kW).
The 402-cubic-inch 6.6litre V8 (still known as a 396) which produced 240 hp (179 kW).
Your dad's 5.7 V8 De Ville (sedan) produced 205kW .
Have a look at the output of the 350 Chevies in the sixties and very early 70`s to get a picture of their performance
In 69 the Corvette pushed 261KW with a 11 : 1 compression ratio. They lowered compression to 8.5 in 1970 for emissions and ended up with versions only doing around 200kw.
You will never find me without Stroh or a 4x4
-
Quack
- Location: Port Shepstone
- Has thanked: 6 times
- Been thanked: 1 time
- Posts: 263
- Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:26 pm
Buying a bakkie is like buying a boat! You never have the right one for every situation!
The trick is to get the best one for most situations!
In this regard the Amarok is hard to beat!
It does not cruise like a S class merc on the open road, but damn it’s close! It does not go offroad like Neil’s xj because it does occasionally start and it’s wheels are not held up by
(sorry Neill
)
It does not have low range, but it will hold it’s own in every obstacle you bunch can throw at it! Hell unless you want to compete in the nationals, it is more than adequate!
Personally, I would get more practical tyres than what the extreme comes with, maybe consider a spare set if you really want to go offroad, for highway cruising the 20’s are an absolute pleasure! Just keep far away from the 19’s, tyre options very limited!
And as for the temperature of the gearbox, yes you can use it to warm your supper, but be prepared to work hard at it! I have managed to caramelise my gearbox oil on occasion, but it involves full throttle in thick sand for a considerable time!
Oh and if you want to tow really heavy obstacles, consider a front tow hitch, reverse gear is a bit tall for manoeuvring heavy trailers in confined spaces at gradient!
For towing the Amarok does have one draw back! It will tow a two tonne rig all day at 160km/h, it will be stable and you will be tempted to do it! But we still need to obey the laws of physics! Also the Rok can run slightly warm if you do this for long periods, keep an eye on the temp guages, both oil and water!
What else? I hope your garage is big! Otherwise the Rok ends up in the driveway!
Parking is a small schlep! It is wide! Much wider than anything Toyota makes! And that includes the 200 and big body quantum!
In conclusion, the V6 Amarok is one of those vehicles that puts a smile on your face every time you drive it! Not the worst thing to get to and from work then!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The trick is to get the best one for most situations!
In this regard the Amarok is hard to beat!
It does not cruise like a S class merc on the open road, but damn it’s close! It does not go offroad like Neil’s xj because it does occasionally start and it’s wheels are not held up by
(sorry Neill)It does not have low range, but it will hold it’s own in every obstacle you bunch can throw at it! Hell unless you want to compete in the nationals, it is more than adequate!
Personally, I would get more practical tyres than what the extreme comes with, maybe consider a spare set if you really want to go offroad, for highway cruising the 20’s are an absolute pleasure! Just keep far away from the 19’s, tyre options very limited!
And as for the temperature of the gearbox, yes you can use it to warm your supper, but be prepared to work hard at it! I have managed to caramelise my gearbox oil on occasion, but it involves full throttle in thick sand for a considerable time!
Oh and if you want to tow really heavy obstacles, consider a front tow hitch, reverse gear is a bit tall for manoeuvring heavy trailers in confined spaces at gradient!
For towing the Amarok does have one draw back! It will tow a two tonne rig all day at 160km/h, it will be stable and you will be tempted to do it! But we still need to obey the laws of physics! Also the Rok can run slightly warm if you do this for long periods, keep an eye on the temp guages, both oil and water!
What else? I hope your garage is big! Otherwise the Rok ends up in the driveway!
Parking is a small schlep! It is wide! Much wider than anything Toyota makes! And that includes the 200 and big body quantum!
In conclusion, the V6 Amarok is one of those vehicles that puts a smile on your face every time you drive it! Not the worst thing to get to and from work then!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
What a life?!?
-
Oppies3800
- Location: Cape Town
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 1 time
- Posts: 402
- Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:41 pm
-
cor123
- Location: Hekpoort
- Posts: 44
- Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:27 am
One word , fantastic . Been towing since my teenager years and can say that nothing that I towed with in 42 years compare to my D3 v8 ( towing down to the Vaal the other day my swambo comment that she forgot we were actually towing the jurgens explorer ) Can only imagine how the D4 must performMike Nel wrote:How is the V8 petrol as a tow vehicle? I have no idea and would really love to know
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Mal Hannes
- Location: Johannesburg
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Posts: 238
- Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:38 pm
My wife and mom will need a ladder to get in and out.Oppies3800 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:48 pmWhy not the Raptor?
Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
The VW family discount.
I do believe the 3 l amarok will be better at towing than the 2 l Raptor.
The choice was between the 2l Ranger and the VW and I chose the VW.