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Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:23 pm
by Quack
Agreed
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Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:32 pm
by ThysleRoux
Not criticizing your reasoning at all Doc, but any significant lift with the "square block of steel" between the axle and spring will put a lot of strain on the u-bolts holding the lot together, due to the added leverage - unless you have an anti-trample bar fitted. Once this bar is in place you have exactly the same issues with geometry as a coil sprung live axle.
Increasing the load capacity of coil sprung vehicles while retaining drivability is also easier than with leaf sprung vehicles, as the coils are usually progressive.
The above are not scientific facts, but my own logical reasoning.
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:51 pm
by Hedgehog
ThysleRoux wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:32 pm
Not criticizing your reasoning at all Doc, but any significant lift with the "square block of steel" between the axle and spring will put a lot of strain on the u-bolts holding the lot together, due to the added leverage - unless you have an anti-trample bar fitted. Once this bar is in place you have exactly the same issues with geometry as a coil sprung live axle.
Increasing the load capacity of coil sprung vehicles while retaining drivability is also easier than with leaf sprung vehicles, as the coils are usually progressive.
The above are not scientific facts, but my own logical reasoning.
Jip.. those blocks do ugly things to springs
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:58 pm
by Quack
I have found this out the hard way! Hence my disclaimer!
My current Rok has OE uprated springs
In my mind it is just more difficult to make a piece of steal into a coil, than it is to bliksim a piece of flatbar into submision
I realise most springworks can do both with the same amount of ease
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Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:10 am
by XJ Junkie
Hedgehog wrote:Quack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:08 pm
I should have taken more photos, the coils are kept in place by fairly long lower control arms which should be good for some travel!
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Anyone saying differently is just a theorist, and ignores practical fact
Exactly
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:14 am
by XJ Junkie
On no planet will leafs outperform coils when it comes to articulation.
4WD Bakkies are effectively just adapted delivery vehicles, hence the leaf packs. As far as leisure type bakkies go, they clever manufacturers will eventually convert to rear coils if they want to keep up with the competition.
Leafs have their place, it’s just not offroad
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:30 am
by KurtG
My Pajero has coils all around
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:11 am
by Hedgehog
KurtG wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:30 am
My Pajero has coils all around
Jip... with short little wishbones and control arms..
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:00 pm
by KurtG
Hedgehog wrote:KurtG wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:30 am
My Pajero has coils all around
Jip... with short little wishbones and control arms..
Yes indeed
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:59 pm
by XJ Junkie
KurtG wrote:My Pajero has coils all around
That’s better than coils & leaf packs
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:24 pm
by Hedgehog
XJ Junkie wrote:KurtG wrote:My Pajero has coils all around
That’s better than coils & leaf packs
Ja..
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Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:44 pm
by Ricof4e
Nobs.
I have driven the old NP300. It came standard with a back brace and a cd player.
The coils in the Navarra is faaaaaar superior than the leafs on the NP300. The ride is smoother and more comfortable.
If you for a moment think that the standard leaf setup will outflex the multi link setup of the Navara and X-Class - then you need something stronger than over the counter meds.
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:24 pm
by Mike Nel
So far I’ve only seen women behind the wheel
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:04 am
by grips
XJ Junkie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:14 am
On no planet will leafs outperform coils when it comes to articulation.
4WD Bakkies are effectively just adapted delivery vehicles, hence the leaf packs. As far as leisure type bakkies go, they clever manufacturers will eventually convert to rear coils if they want to keep up with the competition.
Leafs have their place, it’s just not offroad
Only coils with a 4 link setup. There are a few coils sprung 4x4`s out there that have the same amount of flex than a soap bar.
The Yank Ranger I have build with its leaf, traction bar, Fox shocks with 500mm wheel travel will out flex most coil sprung 4x4 suspensions. I am not pointing towards R80k per shock coil over four link systems found in rock crawlers.
Re: Short drive in X-class
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:54 pm
by Reenen
Grips, ek dink n standaard bladveer voor en agter setup soos bv safari sal standaard ook selfs die nav/x class outflex
