Toyota Hilux Champ/Stallion low cost pickup

[jakeslouw]

If it comes in 4x4 I'll buy one. I don't need all the technology shyte that we are forced to have these days.
I don't understand the local vehicle suppliers: it seems they think an entry level model won't sell.

Suzuki has shown everybody that this is a myth. Nissan's only saving grace is selling the entry-level NP200 and NP300.

While I understand the GP on a premier model is more than on an entry level product, pure sales economics says 10 x R500k models brings more GP than 1 x R1m product.

We DON'T live in a 1st world economy with 1st world incomes. Why we still persist in only selling premier products is beyond me.

[Flipside]

We are just not on the gravy train Jakes,
Have you seen the volumes of the stupid priced vehicles on the roads lately?

[jakeslouw]

I have. I fail to understand where the money comes from.
We have a decent combined salary, and I can't afford some of the stuff I see middle class people driving.

The loan bubble will burst at some stage.

[Mad Manny]

90% of new cars sold are in the sub R400k bracket.
That is why Suzuki, who only sell in that bracket, sets new sales targets every month.

The Jeep Gladiator is over R1 million, they sell less than 1 a month on average.

All EVs in SA are over R600k, they make up less than 1% of sales.

[grips]

If it lives up to the Toyota reputation we will see lots of them in the construction business.
With pricing below R200k it will be cheaper than most second hand bakkies in the market.

[Mad Manny]

One thing all motoring Journalists have in common, is a lack of any knowledge of the motoring industry whatsoever.

Some dumb Journo took the price in Thailand, converted it to Rands and then, stupidly, in a display of ignorance, proclaimed a price of under R200k.

South Africa adds Import Duties and an Ad Valorim duty etc to the price of imports etc.
That Bakkie will NEVER be launched at less than the Hyundai H100 or the Mahindra Bolero Maxi Truck Plus or the Steed 5 VGT or the Gen6 Isuzu D Max 250D Base. Never. Never.
Expect it to cost a lot closer to R400k.
That R200k price was just a stupid thing to say....

[jakeslouw]

I agree. the 43% import duty implies a price closer to R283k.

Secondly, NAAMSA members are prone to anti-competitive behavior: go look at vehicle prices in a certain niche and ALL of them will be close in price.
Only the "rogue" importers will have lower prices, and NAAMSA does their best to paint these vehicles as inferior.

So Toyota SA will again screw the consumer and make a nice killing by marking this up to around R350k which is a decent gross profit of around 20%.
Once again, we see Toyota Tax at play.

[BushWacker]

… I recall my Farming Uncle in Broken Hill,
Northern Rhodesia buying a Toyota Stout
when I was but a eager young Nipper …
It was the first Toyota he ever bought
and every vehicle he ever bought there-after
was always a Toyota…
… sad though understandable fact …

PS … even the battery lasted 10 years
(no longer so these days !)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Stout

[iandvl]

<snip>
… I recall my Farming Uncle in Broken Hill,
Northern Rhodesia buying a Toyota Stout
when I was but a eager young Nipper …
</snip>

Liar.

The vehicles on sale when you were an "eager young nipper" were probably still the MKI single mule drawn sled.

Sled, as I doubt the chariot had been invented then. You pre-date the invention of the wheel...

[Mad Manny]

interestingly the Stout was also called the Stallion in some markets, it was based on a Dyna Truck chassis...


Chas, did your dad's one look like this...?

[BushWacker]

interestingly the Stout was also called the Stallion in some markets, it was based on a Dyna Truck chassis...


Chas, did your dad's one look like this...?

… no my old man was a discerning M.Sc Engineer
who used to repair Spitfires and advise Anglo etc!
So he wasnt interested in a bland transporters.
Ford Populars, Zephyrs Chevs VWs Audis BMWs, etc
… only Toyota he ever bought was for my sister
and it was a station wagon toyota with a hand gearchange
… said it was a simple hardy vehicle that would
stand up to a very demanding owner.
He was right !

PS … just remembered, he owned a new Celica
for about 6 months …

[Mad Manny]

Coming soon, but in RWD only....

[BushWacker]

interestingly the Stout was also called the Stallion in some markets, it was based on a Dyna Truck chassis...


Chas, did your dad's one look like this...?

No ... said Station Wagon had much more squarish lines
and purpose built for commercial , farmers use etc ... corrugated floor in rear section and on backrest of back seat which folded down to enlarge the cargo area ... etc.
( Similar to 'fold-flat' back-Seat setup of RR Classic ... )

Also Hand Gear change ... like early Toyota Bakkies of the day in '70's.
Toyotas were simple functional quality vehicles
in those days ... not built for todays Tender SnowFlakey market etc