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Grenadier Axles
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:08 pm
by XJ Junkie
I was wondering what axles the Inneos Grenadier would be using so I did some googling. I expected Dana or Ashcroft, etc.
It turns out that they will be using a company called ‘Carraro’.
I’d never heard of them but it turns out that they make some impressive stuff, mainly for heavy duty off-road vehicles like tractors, construction vehicles, etc. They even supply well known tractor companies like John Deere.
They’ve got networks all over the place.
At least they are using application focused stuff.
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:15 pm
by KurtG
And this little titbit of information needed its own thread, why?
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:16 pm
by XJ Junkie
Because I decided
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:21 pm
by Apocalypse
Interesting . I looked the other day and saw they were 6 stud axles and presumed they’d be Dana’s
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:34 pm
by Mad Manny
They explain the frame & axles here:
https://ineosgrenadier.com/reveal/frame-axles
Basically, if you ignore the waffle, they decided on a ladder frame & solid axles because that's what the real Defender had.
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:40 pm
by XJ Junkie
The frame is actually a modified Toyota chassis.
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:18 pm
by Mad Manny
Yes, they want to make a new, improved old Defender.
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:05 pm
by BushWacker
Mad Manny wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:18 pm
Yes, they want to make a new, improved old Defender.
... yes ... a Defender that isnt ...
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:05 pm
by XJ Junkie
It’s more of a Defender than the actual new LR Defender.
It’s a Defender for the modern world. Something LR couldn’t pull off.
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:37 pm
by Ricof4e
XJ Junkie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:05 pm
It’s more of a Defender than the actual new LR Defender.
It’s a Defender for the modern world. Something LR
didn't want to pull off.
Just a small correction.
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:40 pm
by Mike Nel
XJ Junkie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:05 pm
It’s more of a Defender than the actual new LR Defender.
It’s a Defender for the modern world. Something LR couldn’t pull off.
Will it have more flex than the new Defender?
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:54 am
by grips
You Grenadier lovers can thank the Lord that it does not come with Dana diff`s. When I built the Yank Ranger I were told and read that Dana`s are indestructible. I were told they can handle enormous torque. Well to date my personal experience is that it is on of the weakest diff`s out there.
Will never use them in any project vehicle again. Will go straight for Toyota 9.5 inch diff`s from a 60 or FJ 45 Cruiser. They have even thicker shafts and larger rings than the mighty Patrol diff`s.
The following from Dana have let go on the Yank Ranger. Dana 60 rear one by side shaft. Dana 44 High Pinion front. One by stripped pinion.
Side shafts two. Busted side shaft universal one.
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:05 am
by BushWacker
... I suppose, on principle more than logic,
they wouldnt use a Salisbury or a Wolf diff etc
... everything must be different,
... yet must seem the same.
Puzzling mandate.
P.S. See early Salisbury diffs were
derived from Danas ...
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:14 am
by ThysleRoux
grips wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:54 am
You Grenadier lovers can thank the Lord that it does not come with Dana diff`s. When I built the Yank Ranger I were told and read that Dana`s are indestructible. I were told they can handle enormous torque. Well to date my personal experience is that it is on of the weakest diff`s out there.
Will never use them in any project vehicle again. Will go straight for Toyota 9.5 inch diff`s from a 60 or FJ 45 Cruiser. They have even thicker shafts and larger rings than the mighty Patrol diff`s.
The following from Dana have let go on the Yank Ranger. Dana 60 rear one by side shaft. Dana 44 High Pinion front. One by stripped pinion.
Side shafts two. Busted side shaft universal one.
Grips, met geweld kan jy jou wysvinger in jou eie hol afbreek ............................
Re: Grenadier Axles
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:18 am
by BushWacker
I believe Land Rover purposely make their sideshafts ‘the weakest link’ of the full drive train...
This is based on the logic that if somethings
‘ has to give’ its best the sideshaft does...
and not the upstream: diff, prop-shafts, TB etc
Maybe the Granadilla folk should think on that.