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The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:09 am
by Mad Manny
Basically, baring a few exceptions (Like the Defender P/U) all bakkies have had a rear set up follows:
Leaf Springs
Rear Drum brakes.

BTW: If the Cab & the Bak are one unit (like with a Chev Utility, Nissan NP200 or the Chevy SS pick up, its NOT a bakkie - a bakkie has a separate load bin.

Now as bakkies move away from being load vehicles for work & towards being lifestyle vehicles for people too stupid to but an SUV, manufacturers are looking at giving bakkies more car-like rear setups.

In the mainstream market, in South Africa, the first to do it was Nissan, the new Navara has Coils, not leafs.
Biut it was a stuff up & gives no advantages & all the disadvantages.

However, more manufacturers will go this route in future.

In post two I'll list all those to break with the time honoured Leaf & Drum set up.

We'll keep it updated as more manufacturers go this route over time.

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:10 am
by Mad Manny
ALL Bakkies are Rear Leaf & Drum (as at May 2019) except:

1. Ssangyoung (by Mahindra) Actyon - rear Coils & Drum (since 2007)
2. Navara - rear Coil & Drum (since 2016)
3. Amarok V6 - rear Leaf & Disc (since 2017)
4. Ranger Raptor 2019 - rear Coil & Disc (with FOX Shocks nogal)
5.

NB: The Defender had Coils, but was discontinued years ago...

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 11:23 am
by Wave
So only the GD-6 Fortuner got rear discs?

I really though Toyota would have put discs on the Hilux too

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:37 pm
by ThysleRoux
Malman, the Yanks were way ahead of time with the evolution of bakkie suspensions. The Chevy C10's had a coil sprung rear and torsion bar front suspension way back in the 60's.........

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:03 pm
by grips
ThysleRoux wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:37 pm
Malman, the Yanks were way ahead of time with the evolution of bakkie suspensions. The Chevy C10's had a coil sprung rear and torsion bar front suspension way back in the 60's.........
Revolutionary for its time but one of the pitfalls of the C10. They were quickly know as papgatte for their lack in ability to carry loads.

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:10 pm
by ThysleRoux
LOL - in the Kalahari they were known as the most comfortable bakkies around, but the front suspension was believed to be suspect, as they tended to sag. Nobody realized how easy it is to adjust torsion bars.

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:05 pm
by Mad Manny
ThysleRoux wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:37 pm
Malman, the Yanks were way ahead of time with the evolution of bakkie suspensions.
The Chevy C10's had a coil sprung rear and torsion bar front suspension way back in the 60's.........
Hate to beat you like an awkward Ginger Stepchild, but...

YES! you are right, 70 years ago (1959) Chevrolet brought out a C10 with no rear leafs.
The 2nd Generation also had no leafs & front Torsion bars were added.

Then, in 1973, 14 years after the launch of the original, they realised their error & added rear leafs.


Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 4:23 pm
by Apocalypse
Mad Manny wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 11:10 am
ALL Bakkies are Rear Leaf & Drum (as at May 2019) except:

1. Navara - rear Coil & Drum (since 2016)
2. Amarok V6 - rear Leaf & Disc (since 2017)
3. Ranger Raptor 2019 - rear Coil & Disc (with FOX Shocks nogal)
4.

NB: The Defender had Coils, but was discontinued years ago...
According to you , technically only the 130 is a bakkie as the other defender derivatives are unibodies...

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 4:25 pm
by ThysleRoux
Thanks for putting the school bully of "awkward Ginger Stepchildren" in his place Apoc :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:08 pm
by Reenen
Wel, ek ry darem gereeld n regte bakkie.



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Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:21 pm
by XJ Junkie
Mad Manny wrote:ALL Bakkies are Rear Leaf & Drum (as at May 2019) except:

You omitted the Ssangyong Actyon. That’s had coils since circa 2007. Waaaaay ahead of the curve.


Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 7:20 pm
by Mad Manny
XJ Junkie wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 6:21 pm
You omitted the Ssangyong Actyon.
That’s had coils since circa 2007.
Many cars had Coils back then... :lol:

I'll add it to post #2


Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:18 pm
by Johannes
Apocalypse wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 4:23 pm



According to you , technically only the 130 is a bakkie as the other defender derivatives are unibodies...
And just to add , there is absolutely nothing wrong with the weight carrying capabilities of a defender . Whether it be a station wagon or pick up . ;)

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:22 pm
by ThysleRoux
XJ Junkie wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 6:21 pm
Mad Manny wrote:ALL Bakkies are Rear Leaf & Drum (as at May 2019) except:

You omitted the Ssangyong Actyon. That’s had coils since circa 2007. Waaaaay ahead of the curve.
The Ssangyong is also disqualified by the fixed load box :shock: :twisted:

Re: The evolution of the rear end...

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:09 am
by Ricof4e
The Volla which I am converting to a plaas bakkie had standard shocks since '62.

Seems I will have a bakkie with proper flex when I am done :lol: