4x4 Action Group

This is pretty interesting & worth a watch to see how a wide variety of mostly stock vehicles cope with the same obstacles.

https://youtu.be/WmMdL2M0ol8

Very very nice video! Lot's of different vehicles, nice obstacles and all the vehicles shot from the same angle.
Lot's of traction control systems in action here! Then the old school Willies Jeep and the Suzuki SJ got through all the obstacles the easiest?
Is it because they are short vehicles and felt the cross axles less than the long vehicles? And perhaps some driver talent as well?

Thanks Neil. My observation is that the driver makes the biggest difference in that video, still interesting to watch.

KurtG wrote: ↑

Fri May 25, 2018 5:25 pm

Thanks Neil. My observation is that the driver makes the highest difference in that video, still interesting to watch.

I can agree with that. The guys that used the right amount of momentum did best. And the least possible damage to their vehicle.

Chris Stoffel wrote:Then the old school Willies Jeep and the Suzuki SJ got through all the obstacles the easiest?
Is it because they are short vehicles and felt the cross axles less than the long vehicles? And perhaps some driver talent as well?

Don’t forget the solid axles in those. It shouldn’t be underestimated.

KurtG wrote:Thanks Neil. My observation is that the driver makes the highest difference in that video, still interesting to watch.

Yes, big time. That Isuzu driver makes the vehicle look bad.

And if you think that traction control is the alpha and omega, think again. Momentum is still needed.

XJ Junkie wrote: ↑

Fri May 25, 2018 7:46 pm

Chris Stoffel wrote:Then the old school Willies Jeep and the Suzuki SJ got through all the obstacles the easiest?
Is it because they are short vehicles and felt the cross axles less than the long vehicles? And perhaps some driver talent as well?

Don’t forget the solid axles in those. It shouldn’t be underestimated.

KurtG wrote:Thanks Neil. My observation is that the driver makes the highest difference in that video, still interesting to watch.

Yes, big time. That Isuzu driver makes the vehicle look bad.

Why are we discussing Hunter and his 4x2?

For me personally, the most revealing part of the video is the obstacle at 13:20. It’s not the most tricky obstacle but it’s more about the vehicle than the driver.

There are many things to note:

I’d have to say that out of the more modern vehicles, the TC systems on the new Fortuna, Everest & then Pajero Sport all work rather well.

The old school Fortuna is clearly not as good as the new Fortuna that went before it, even though their entry speed was similar.

The old school Pajero with no modern traction aids just walks the obstacle at a little over idle speed, but he did have meaty tyres.

That Scorpio is not good at all. It’s got no TC & has a rear Auto-locker instead of a selectable locker. But what’s apparent is how long that autolocker takes to engage! It’s pathetic. You can see that as soon as it’s on 3 wheels. The reason why one of the front wheels is in the air & won’t spin is due to the TOD system, where the front axle gets no torque. The absence of TC on the front makes that axle redundant (due to the traction-on-demand). Then when one back wheel is cocked, it spins excessively until the autolocker decides its time to kick in.

The old school Fortuna is marginally better because at least it’s locker is selectable, thus proactive instead of reactive.

Naturally, the Duster was rather impressive.

Interesting video, thanks for posting!
This video, more than any I've recently seen, illustrates the value of diff locks.
Or basically, how much it can suck not having them.
With locked diffs, everybody would crawl gently through those obstacles and not damage the terrain so much.
Of course, it would take the "fun and violence" out of it

And as others have posted - driver skill has a lot to do with it. These guys don't have it in spades... but they are having fun for sure.

Have a watch from the 14 minute point:

The Duster has no low range, but it does have traction control front & back to negotiate this cross axle section.

The new shape Fortuna that follows it does just as well & it’s TC clearly works.

But the old school Fortuna that goes next battles without TC, even though it’s got a rear locker.

Guys,
hi have had the pleasure of driving both a vehicle with TC and my Fortuner, their is only one explanation for the Fortuner to struggle, inexperience,

Martin de Jager wrote:Guys,
hi have had the pleasure of driving both a vehicle with TC and my Fortuner, their is only one explanation for the Fortuner to struggle, inexperience,

Yes, the designers were inexperienced when they conceived the Fortuner .

Only kidding, most of the guys in that video were inexperienced

have a look at this, this is local,

https://youtu.be/cpLOlvhaJGU

Martin de Jager wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:16 pm

have a look at this, this is local,

https://youtu.be/cpLOlvhaJGU

Very nice video. It seems as if the guys are scared to use a bit of momentum. But I wasn't there. And taking a Samurai there is perhaps more fun than taking a Wrangler. But that FJ cooked it good.