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Wow. This is new. R134A is approved at all the mines. Used in all modern aircon systems.
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deemed harmful for use in the USA and Europe . (inc. UK)
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Stephen is in bed right now. I will see what I can get hold of in the morning.

Not dodging your question at all.
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even the ones sanctioned by the FTC had a data sheet detailing it's composition.

I doubt they'd even try and market this stuff in Europe or the USA, they'd be crucified.

I'm frankly surprised they are getting away with it in Oz, but again, a lot of these companies pop up , make a few bucks and close down when the heat gets a bit much.

In SA - meh. We sell farting in people's faces as exorcism. and it's okay.
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Apocalypse wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:42 pm
even the ones sanctioned by the FTC had a data sheet detailing it's composition.

I doubt they'd even try and market this stuff in Europe or the USA, they'd be crucified.

I'm frankly surprised they are getting away with it in Oz, but again, a lot of these companies pop up , make a few bucks and close down when the heat gets a bit much.

In SA - meh. We sell farting in people's faces as exorcism. and it's okay.
Well, USA and Europe is on the list for the next launches. Hold onto your hat.
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Some reading on the Australian site
https://www.performancelubricants.com.au/
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henris wrote:
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Well, USA and Europe is on the list for the next launches. Hold onto your hat.
I have no skin in this game .

Not even a hat for that matter

But I will tell you that without a data sheet disclosing composition , or with a data sheet declaring a banned component , it’s not going to hit the market as easily as the colonies .

They can’t even sell Fortuners or 76 cruisers etc in places with proper regulations .
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henris wrote:
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I am on an Indian whatsapp group as well. Indians love it. Are claiming up to 12% saving on fuel.

Ausies claim huge reduction on CO emissions.
If you could save up to 12% fuel, and reduce as much CO2 emissions, just by pouring something into your car's fuel/oil system. You'd overnight be the richest man on the planet. The likes of Toyota, BMW, Merc, Nissan, VW, all of them, will pay you anything you ask.

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Try running your car on cooking oil, you will save 100% fuel and have 100% less emissions.

Your bank account will suffer but you'll save on fuel

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Hyades wrote:
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henris wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:23 pm
I am on an Indian whatsapp group as well. Indians love it. Are claiming up to 12% saving on fuel.

Ausies claim huge reduction on CO emissions.
If you could save up to 12% fuel, and reduce as much CO2 emissions, just by pouring something into your car's fuel/oil system. You'd overnight be the richest man on the planet. The likes of Toyota, BMW, Merc, Nissan, VW, all of them, will pay you anything you ask.
Exactly. Working on it.
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It doesn't state what it is.

They seem to have updated the sheet by removing the term 'etc' after mentioning what it isn't....
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given the specific gravity of 0,99 (i.e. 99% the weight of water by volume) which is far higher than the carrying oil (which is generally under 0,9) I'd guess it's a zincwhatsitcalled based additive - which, as mentioned is in most oils as an additive anyway.

This is reduced in modern oils of late as it damages catalytic convertors in higher concentrations - same reason we don't have lead in petrol.

but I can't say, it's only a guess because it's a secret formula.

shoving something with a secret formula into your engine on the say so of a guy who is profiting from the sale of it is never a good idea. It's like eating a sandwich with no idea what's in it because your mate says it's delicious, and then discovering it's peanut butter and you are allergic. not very clever.

Independent testing for stuff like this - not testimonials from someone paid to endorse it - are what is needed , along with proper laboratory testing of the main components of the product.

or it's just snake oil.
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To add to this.

If there was a miracle coating that reduced friction in a motor, improved longevity, reduced fuel consumption and so on, I can assure that, by this stage, every motor manufacturer in the world would be applying it to their moving components at the factory, especially if, as you state, that it is machinable because then their tolerances would be correct - not hoping to get lucky by chucking it into the oil and hoping it's deposited and randomly attaching itself in the right places as you are claiming this product does.

As they do with white metal on the bearings (which is.... an alloy of zinc/lead/tin !!!)

and ceramic coatings on pistons and other parts for some vehicles
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Well this escalated quickly :D
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Motor manufacturers will never use any of these products from factory. It’s not in their best interest. Why would they try and prolong the lifespan of an engine therefore taking away profits?

I say these products can only benefit us. Use it. Don’t use it. It’s ultimately your choice.
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