Verandering van roetes om dit makliker te maak.

[Reenen]

Veronderstel mens ry n 4x4 roete wat duisende 4x4’s al gery het, en jy kom by n stuk waar jou 4x4 nie kan oor gaan. Is dit “ok” om jou kraggereedskap uitvte pluk, en bv n klip wat jou moeilikheid gee, bietjie te “trim” tot dit jou voertuig toelaat om verder te gaan?

Hoeveel verander mens aan n roete, voordat jy as n nuisance beskou word?

[Martin de Jager]

Jy doen wat nodig is om deur te kom,

[Paul#25]

My feeling is that the root should not be modified anymore than packing rocks or moving a log. An obstacle that is beyond my or my vehicles ability should be bypassed and not modified as it will eventually lead to there being no challenges left for the more hard core guys. I've found a route around an area I wasn't prepared to tackle like I did on the river trip earlier this year. I know I'm a newbe to the game and my Disco isn't a rock crawler so I'll rather go around an obstacle that I'm not happy with than bugger it up for others. Areas where we can learn and challenge ourselves are getting fewer by the day as civilisations gobbles up the wilderness areas. Let's leave areas as we find them instead of ironing out all the bumps.

[KurtG]

It depends.

On a route (not root ) like Baboon’s you don’t have an option but to modify the route as there is no bypass possible and sometimes the rocks fall down the mountain blocking the road.

On an established route like De Wildt or Hennops then modifying the route is not a good idea as there are always bypasses.

[Reenen]

It depends.

On a route (not root ) like Baboon’s you don’t have an option but to modify the route as there is no bypass possible and sometimes the rocks fall down the mountain blocking the road.

On an established route like De Wildt or Hennops then modifying the route is not a good idea as there are always bypasses.

Ok, jy het baboonspas gebruik as voorbeeld. Veronderstel die groep voor jou is daar deur(en seker honderde?? Ander). 2 karre in jou groep is deur. Nou kom jy daar, en kan nie deur nie. Haal jy die hammers of winch of wat ook al uit, en breek die boulder op, maak goliath makliker, of verwyder n landmark uit pad uit?

Tot waar is wat aanvaarbaar, of is dit n geval, whatever nodig is om deur te kom?

[Mad Manny]

If others have gone through then nothing more than rock packing is permitted.

You can't call in a grader, soil dump trucks, roller, compactor & then have the route tarred, just because your buddy in an Amarok is struggling...

[Reenen]

As ek my eie “roete” gebruik as voorbeeld:

Ek het hom “gebou” met my hande en n 10 pond hammer. Tot daar waar ek met my plaasbakkie met 1000l liter vuurvreter daar kan ry. 4x4, geen lift. Oop diffs. Dus niks meer as ‘n 3.

As daar nou iemand ander in kom met sy navara, en nie kan ry nie, gaan ek noggal bedonderd raak as hy al my nice trappies begin gelyk kap om verder te gaan. Want daar is geen escapes roetes vir sy eie platkar.

Seker maar hoekom ek geen self drives toelaat deur onbekendes...

[KurtG]

Ja Reenen, ek stem saam. As ander voertuie deur is en die volgende ou kom daar dan moet hy/sy nie die hindernis opkap nie. Klippe pak is dan okay.

Maar as ń klip die hele convoy stop dan moet daar ń plan gemaak word, nie so nie?

[Reenen]

Maar as ń klip die hele convoy stop dan moet daar ń plan gemaak word, nie so nie?

Dit is waar die vraag inkom...

As die klip die hele konvooi stop, maar hy het nie die vorige konvooi gestop?

[Reenen]

Maar baboonspas tel nie. Dit is nie n trail nie. Dit is n gewone publieke pad wat n gemeenskap en skool dien, dan nie? So daar is seker geen sulke reels?


Praat meer van 4x4 roetes. Roete is bv n 3, en dan kom n ander ou verby en sê nee, dit is n 5, en verander dit na sy “3”, wat dan eindlik n 2 is.

[KurtG]

Praat meer van 4x4 roetes. Roete is bv n 3, en dan kom n ander ou verby en sê nee, dit is n 5, en verander dit na sy “3”, wat dan eindlik n 2 is.

Ja, lees my eerste post op hierdie Thread

[Mad Manny]

Praat meer van 4x4 roetes. Roete is bv n 3, en dan kom n ander ou verby en sê nee, dit is n 5, en verander dit na sy “3”, wat dan eindlik n 2 is.

I'm not sure your are talking about an opinion of the difficulty, or about a route that is changed by chopping/digging/moving packing rocks.
But, if you are talking opinion - there are guidelines about what each grade is, but you'll never get a scientific agreement.

If you are talking alterations - if a route can be changed from a 3 to a 2 buy a few guys in a few hours using what they happen to have brought with them, altering one obstacle - then it probably wasn't a 3 in the first place.

[Mad Manny]

Personally I find the weather & the time of year makes the biggest changes to a route.
Tierkloof at 3P has a very steep loose stoney hill with a massive rock halfway down.
When I did it, the recent rains had made it less loose & the big rock had dislodged & rolled away.
So an obstacle that modded Jeeps usually struggle with was a breeze.

[Reenen]

Nevermind

[KurtG]

On reflection.... why would anyone who drives a trail for leisure carry “trail modifying heavy rock breaking equipment” with them? It makes no sense at all and definitely not something I have ever seen, on any trail.