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K@k Starter
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:40 am
by Mad Manny
So, about 6 months ago I hopped into Fearless to drive to the far blue yonder (the Pick n Pay at the end of my street).
When I turned the beautifully crafted key to fire up that torque'y D-4D all I heard was 'Kla-Hinggggg'.
I tried again & that 4 cylinder beast fired up, sipping angel nectar & idling with a throaty burble.
A few days later, after being trouble free for the past few starts, it did it again, 'Kla-Hingggggggg'.
It slowly occurred more & more often, by the time I did the Bots tip in April/May it was up to every 4th start.
Also, where previously it only did it once before starting on the 2nd attempt, it would now, occasionally, do it twice in a row.
'Kla-Hingggggggg' followed by another 'Kla-Hingggggggg'.. .
It now does it almost every 2nd time I start it.
Not being a complete idiot, I guessed it may be the solenoid or bendix.
Well, in accordance with the 'Manny Doctrine; (read here: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1522&p=35758#p35758 )
My fist step was to pop* into my local Toyota Dealer
Pop* used loosely - going queuing to go through the overly rigorous & unnecessarily slow security at the gate actually took longer than getting the price.
Anyhoo, the Parts guy showed me the price on his screen (because, when he told me it verbally, I told him GFYS!)
R10 400.00
So my next step is to pull the starter & find out what part is actually at fault, the part, most likely to be the culprit, is R1 300 at Toyota.
Has anyone got any other suggestions?
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:07 pm
by Bugger
If you can hear it engages-Solenoid kicking in
And it sounding as If it is slipping?
Then it could be the benxix-Small part one way rotation with teeth on that engages with the flywheel
When removing starter try and inspect the flywheel teeth manually and turning the engine by hand for a 360deg inspection for possible ringleader failure
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Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:16 pm
by Ricof4e
Is Fearless fitted with an auto-box or manual box?
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:11 pm
by Mad Manny
Fearless is a 5 speed manual....
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:50 am
by iandvl
I doubt it would be the flywheel. Also debatable that it would the solenoid if it is actually engaging. I presume the bendix would be the culprit.
The thread here:
https://patrol4x4.co.za/viewtopic.php?t=7051 is how to service a Patrol starter. Yes - it is for a Nissan, but starter motors are generic.
Considering how popular the D4D is, I presume there are a gazillion after market starters.
Perhaps check whether Bosch does these ?
Denki and Euro-something-or-other (I cannot remember the name - Europarts, Eurostar?) also do quality engine/electrical components. And a brand new one from them will probably cost about R4K.
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:17 am
by Mad Manny
Thanks Ian, we are thinking along the same lines.
Considering that, on the occasions that it doesn't go 'Kla-hinggggggg, it starts perfectly, I would also rule out gear damage.
BTW: Yesterday, for the 1st time, I had 3 'Kla-hinggggggg's in a row before it fired up...
I'll pull the starter this week & decide from there.
The Euro... word you are looking for is Euro-Lek.
Starter prices are:
Eurolek - R2 400 roughly
Valeo - R3 600 about
Toyota - R10 400
Seems the D-4D OEM starter is a Bosch, which I find strange, Bosch is German, I'd have thought Toyota would use a Aisin or Denso?
As Stephen Marley sang in the 2017 Pitbull song off the Climate Change Album "I got, I got, I got. I got Options"...
I'll report back...
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:42 pm
by iandvl
Mad Manny wrote:
...
Seems the D-4D OEM starter is a Bosch, which I find strange, Bosch is German, I'd have thought Toyota would use a Aisin or Denso?
...
Corporate incest....
Seriously, parts get built by the lowest bidder...
Same principle Boeing and Airbus use. Thank me the next time you take a flight anywhere...
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:18 pm
by Flipside
I would agree with Ian,
The mud from the Bots trip probably created chaos on the Bendix lubrication. It may even grind the bushes and brushes.
Clean it out properly or have it refurbished.
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:54 pm
by Mad Manny
Problem started long before the Bots trip.
But I'm convinced (or is that 'hopeful' that simply removing, cleaning and refitting will solve the problem.
If not, then a part may need to be replaced...
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:31 pm
by Mad Manny
OK, starter was pulled & as Ian & I (& Grips) suspected - it was electrical rather than a physical issue.
The problem is the top item in the photo.
Toyota calls it 'Starter Brush Housing Assembly" - basically worn brushes.
The other item Toyota calls a "Starter Switch Assembly" but we call it a 'Solenoid'
We decided to replace both (both means 'all two' if you are Afrikaans).
I ordered them from Halfway Toyota Honeydew this afternoon, they should arrive tomorrow (28 days faster than Nissan & Mitsubishi would do it).
Cost: Brush Assembly R630.00, Switch Assembly R2 147,00 Total R2 777.00
Personally I'd have only replaced the brushes, but my mechanic is pedantic.
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 7:17 pm
by iandvl
You got ripped off, Manny. A brushplate costs about R170 at any Midas. And a solenoid should be a few hundred ZARs.
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 7:47 pm
by Prof
You have to keep in mind....he needs to keep calling it a Toyota
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 7:59 pm
by Mad Manny
I'll find out what those items would cost, for that starter, elsewhere. If available.
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:05 pm
by iandvl
Mad Manny wrote:I'll find out what those items would cost, for that starter, elsewhere. If available.
That brushplate is very much generic. Take it in to Midas.... I dare you...
Re: K@k Starter
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:12 pm
by iandvl
As a side note: I can walk into a Midas now with my Nissan starter brushes and get replacements. You have to wait 24 hours...
So much for Toyota part availability...
Just saying...
