Maybe I'm missing the point here, but is that not how Briekmerk materialized. It's man made.ThysleRoux wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:01 pmPersonally, I do not regard a route that has been "built" using earth moving equipment as an off-road trail.
Reenen's example is a real trail - it was established by driving up the mountain, picking a drivable route and with minor adjustments to the natural lay of the land, making it passable. Any "route" that was created by digger loaders or other earth moving equipment is a road - sometimes not an easy road to travel by, but still a road.
I agree with Reenen and others - permanent alterations of a trail to suit your individual vehicle or group, is not acceptable. There are always alternatives if a specific obstacle is beyond your own or your vehicle's capability, even if it means reversing halfway down the mountain to a point where you can turn around.
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Yes it is, but that is not what the question on this thread is.Nico-MAD wrote:Maybe I'm missing the point here, but is that not how Briekmerk materialized. It's man made.ThysleRoux wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:01 pmPersonally, I do not regard a route that has been "built" using earth moving equipment as an off-road trail.
Reenen's example is a real trail - it was established by driving up the mountain, picking a drivable route and with minor adjustments to the natural lay of the land, making it passable. Any "route" that was created by digger loaders or other earth moving equipment is a road - sometimes not an easy road to travel by, but still a road.
I agree with Reenen and others - permanent alterations of a trail to suit your individual vehicle or group, is not acceptable. There are always alternatives if a specific obstacle is beyond your own or your vehicle's capability, even if it means reversing halfway down the mountain to a point where you can turn around.
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"Briekmerk" is an obstacle on 4x4 route, not a trail, from what I gather.Nico-MAD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:33 pmMaybe I'm missing the point here, but is that not how Briekmerk materialized. It's man made.ThysleRoux wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:01 pmPersonally, I do not regard a route that has been "built" using earth moving equipment as an off-road trail.
Reenen's example is a real trail - it was established by driving up the mountain, picking a drivable route and with minor adjustments to the natural lay of the land, making it passable. Any "route" that was created by digger loaders or other earth moving equipment is a road - sometimes not an easy road to travel by, but still a road.
I agree with Reenen and others - permanent alterations of a trail to suit your individual vehicle or group, is not acceptable. There are always alternatives if a specific obstacle is beyond your own or your vehicle's capability, even if it means reversing halfway down the mountain to a point where you can turn around.
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Changing an obstacle permanently, by breaking rocks and removing boulders is not acceptable unless it's done by the owner while establishing the route/trail, IMHO
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If there are obstacles in a section of the trail that could trip up some drivers or them and their vehicles, there should preferably be an alternate route for them to take after a few tries.
If there is no alternate, then a few sand bags or rocks packed to help them across is a temporary allowed procedure. Breaking rocks or using tools on the route is not on.
If there is no alternate, then a few sand bags or rocks packed to help them across is a temporary allowed procedure. Breaking rocks or using tools on the route is not on.
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